Posts by The Grudge

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"Dear God"

by The Grudge in

i was driving in my car this morning, listening to the radio and i heard a song that i remember hearing when i was younger.

this song really bothered me when i heard it back then.

it made me mad that someone would say these things about god.....when i heard it today, although i liked to believe in a god, i actually agreed in many ways with the lyrics describing the biblical god.

The Grudge

I was driving in my car this morning, listening to the radio and I heard a song that I remember hearing when I was younger. This song really bothered me when I heard it back then. It made me mad that someone would say these things about God.....When I heard it today, Although I liked to believe in a god, I actually agreed in many ways with the lyrics describing the Biblical God. Just thought it was kinda funny how thoughts change as you grow older. Of course, living without a cults constant influence helps too.

"Dear God" by XTC

Dear god,
Hope you got the letter,
And I pray you can make it better down here.
I don?t mean a big reduction in the price of beer,
But all the people that you made in your image,
See them starving on their feet,
?cause they don?t get enough to eat

From god,
I can?t believe in you.

Dear god,
Sorry to disturb you,
But I feel that I should be heard loud and clear.
We all need a big reduction in amount of tears,
And all the people that you made in your image,
See them fighting in the street,
?cause they can?t make opinions meet,
About god,
I can?t believe in you.

Did you make disease, and the diamond blue?
Did you make mankind after we made you?
And the devil too!

Dear god,
Don?t know if you noticed,
But your name is on a lot of quotes in this book.
Us crazy humans wrote it, you should take a look,
And all the people that you made in your image,
Still believing that junk is true.
Well I know it ain?t and so do you,
Dear god,
I can?t believe in,
I don?t believe in,

I won?t believe in heaven and hell.
No saints, no sinners,
No devil as well.
No pearly gates, no thorny crown.
You?re always letting us humans down.
The wars you bring, the babes you drown.
Those lost at sea and never found,
And it?s the same the whole world ?round.
The hurt I see helps to compound,
That the father, son and holy ghost,
Is just somebody?s unholy hoax,
And if you?re up there you?ll perceive,
That my heart?s here upon my sleeve.
If there?s one thing I don?t believe in...

It?s you,
Dear god.

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People in other religions...

by boa in

jw
friends

a thought occured to me today about a formerly held view as a jw regarding people of other religions and people who left the 'truth'.

the first view which had bothered me for many years and for some time hotly disagreed with, was the ol' bro or sis who comes back into the service car and remarks on how the householder was catholic and how they must be so stupid and blind!

the second view i actually believed before was that all people leaving the org must certainly be hopeless and lost spiritually and obviously would never go to another religion.

The Grudge

I certainly remember having those exact thoughts. The first. Although, In away I still do sometimes have those thoughts.Its just that now I lump JWs with that group,which is,all people involved in organized religion.

The second. Yeah. I also thought some(people who left the truth) just had to know it was" the truth", but just couldn't stop thier evil ways.

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Amateur Organized Crime (In the organization.)

by The Grudge in

a memory was triggered in my head the other day that i hadn't thought about since i was an active jw.... in the early to mid nineties (i would have been about 14 or so) i remember a situation that was going on with someone i know (details cut to remain anonymous) and her jw friends.

this person involved would have been about 17-18 and her "friends" or people she hung out with ranged from 16-21. they were a group of kids that went to meetings, in service, and were considered somewhat exemplary.

most of them came from what were considered ?strong?

The Grudge

New on HBO: The Soprioneers

HAHA..Hey Now,don't try to rip off my story.I can probably at leist get a a made for tv movie deal from this story. I had better copywrite this baby.

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Amateur Organized Crime (In the organization.)

by The Grudge in

a memory was triggered in my head the other day that i hadn't thought about since i was an active jw.... in the early to mid nineties (i would have been about 14 or so) i remember a situation that was going on with someone i know (details cut to remain anonymous) and her jw friends.

this person involved would have been about 17-18 and her "friends" or people she hung out with ranged from 16-21. they were a group of kids that went to meetings, in service, and were considered somewhat exemplary.

most of them came from what were considered ?strong?

The Grudge

SF,

I could give you the location by pm, but I?m sure its not the same case, since this happened a while back in the early nineties.

I think stuff like, underage drinking, partying, sex, and even smoking weed has gone on here and there with witness teens. This is the first case I?ve ever heard of it being organized like this ,though. From what I?ve seen an experienced it seems that a lot of them start w/underage drinking, or if they are dating it can be sex. I know at least 4 baptized witnesses who are in ?good standing? now who even smoke weed on a regular basis and attend meetings regularly.These aren't even teens anymore. I even tried to talk to one of these guys once, hinting around so as not to come off as the A word, thinking that he must share some xjw views. Nope ,he still thinks its the ?truth? and says he?ll quit pot eventually.

On another note,although off topic,I know one guy about 19, who was da'd,but now is going back to the meetings trying to get reinstated.He actually told me that the reason hes going back is because of weed and other drugs. He says it really cleared up things in his mind. Hmmm, I guess that explains why he sounds so braindead.Thinking about it though, Jws are already paranoid,weed would only makes it worse.Deffenately not the best thing for a confused ex Jw. It could lead them straight back to where they came from I suppose. Good thing Im not confused.

Oh and Maverick,Im with you 100% on your comment and thats why Im out.I guess this is crime within crime. After all, I titled it "Amateur". The WT are pros.

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Amateur Organized Crime (In the organization.)

by The Grudge in

a memory was triggered in my head the other day that i hadn't thought about since i was an active jw.... in the early to mid nineties (i would have been about 14 or so) i remember a situation that was going on with someone i know (details cut to remain anonymous) and her jw friends.

this person involved would have been about 17-18 and her "friends" or people she hung out with ranged from 16-21. they were a group of kids that went to meetings, in service, and were considered somewhat exemplary.

most of them came from what were considered ?strong?

The Grudge

A memory was triggered in my head the other day that I hadn't thought about since I was an active JW...

In the early to mid nineties (I would have been about 14 or so) I remember a situation that was going on with someone I know (details cut to remain anonymous) and her JW friends. This person involved would have been about 17-18 and her "friends" or people she hung out with ranged from 16-21. They were a group of kids that went to meetings, in service, and were considered somewhat exemplary. Most of them came from what were considered ?strong? families as well. This group Im referring to were spread out within a 50-100 mile span, and probably came from up to fifteen different congregations. Well, apparently someone in this group decided one day that they were going to start an underground JW gang. I guess you could call it a JW mafia. Yeah, pretty ridiculous sounding but I'm not BSing here. Anyway, these kids would have wild parties, use drugs, have orgies, carry firearms ,etc. The person that related this story to me was not directly involved, in fact she was one of the people that turned them in to the elders. She told me about the time when they let her in on their little secret. Apparently they thought she'd be" in",but they were mistaken. This happened when she was on a road trip with the head guy (I guess you'd call him that) and a couple friends, one who was her supposed best friends at the time. She told me that in one way or another she realized that some of them were getting high and it turned out that there was a massive amount of weed in the trunk and a couple of hand guns. (HMMM. Sounds like a good time to me.) As the story went on they apparently asked her if she wanted to be a part of their gang. When she seemed reluctant to join ,they told her that they?d kill her or anyone involved in turning them in to the elders or police. Well ,she turned them into the elders soon after, with a few other friends that knew about them. Everyone got turned in to the elders. No one went to jail that I know of. All or most were dfed. No one got killed or murdered. To my knowledge, 1/4 of that group involved are still witnesses now reinstated in their late 20s.The others remained dfed and never came back.

Interesting huh? Organized sinning/crime within the Organization. We all know about "double lives " with JW's but its not usually this thought out .Anybody here ever hear of anything like this going on?

On one hand I?m glad that half of these people remained dfed ,and never came back. I?m really curious to know how there lives turned out. Hopefully they straightened themselves out were crime is concerned and educated themselves about JW lies , but it makes you wander what the hell they were thinking in the first place. What kind of mind frame is this? If you want to live that kind of life why pretend your a JW in the first place. It obviously wasn?t any kind of protection for them to carry on organized crime in this way. I know when your young you can be stupid in a lot of ways but this seems a little over the edge. Well, I just thought that was veeeeery interesting to say the least.

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We're speaking to folks in your neighborhood

by new light in

The Grudge

.....and sharing encouraging thoughts from our Watchtower and Awake magazines.(Reaches into bag and pulls out random magazines.)..and here are the latest issues....The Awake focuses on breast feeding and its advantages.While the Watchtower focuses on how you and all the other folks in your neighborhood will soon die a horrifying death if you don't become one of us. We'd like to leave these with you if you'd care to read them. Oh and please donate some money to our worldwide work.I musn't forget that.

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Are You Dealing or Dwelling?

by pettygrudger in

jw
friends

desib's arrival thread got me thinking (along with some kind words from special k).. when i first came here, i was so happy to see so many others with shared experiences and issues of the jw's, yet sad at the same time to know that there were so many.

i spent alot of time here in the beginning.

even though i had been out of the jw's for almost 16 years at the time, i found the time i was spending here i was "dwelling" or going back to my own painful experiences.

The Grudge

Sunnygal41 said:" Even if we went to a therapist, they, unless they have been a cult survivor, will not be able to truly know how we feel. Coming here, I know 100% that you all do understand. You've been hurt where I've been hurt, with the same things.

That is word for word what I said to myself the other day.Thats says something right there! No,Not that I was talking to myself,but that we all are on the same level.Noone else can possibly relate or know how we feel unless they've been there and gotten out.So I think in a way your time here is what you make of it. You can deal in a positive way by bonding with other people like yourself, and helping newer ones that aren't as educated on the borg,not to fall into the trap. "Dwelling" seems like its only an option for someone who has gained complete victory over a challenge or problem in thier life but then still thinks about it regulary, bringing it up unnecasarrily. I guess what Im trying to say is,as long as the society exists we will be effected by it in one way or another.Dealing is our only option at this point.....Did that make sence?

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A Letter I Want To Send To My Brother

by ZeroKool29 in

most of what i read was the book of ecclesiastes.

i don?t think it would.

i remember having a ton of those books lying around, and some of them i never read.

The Grudge

Great letter ! Very touching with obvious sincerity. I think most of the letter will definitely get him thinking. Though, I?d have to agree with PP?s comment about not mentioning your relationship with God, your understanding of life, and philosophies. Definitely topics that should be reserved for later, if he should ever come to the point of opening his mind a little. With constant lines being drilled into his brain like ? Don?t lean upon your own understanding?, and ?Don?t lean upon the worldly philosophies of men,? anything you say that disagrees with the society ,may turn him off to the idea of a relationship with you, immediately. Good luck.

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My silent ongoing fight against the org.

by The Grudge in

i?m posting today to get some things out that i haven?t been able to share with anyone else.

because they don?t want to hear it.

i?m living in a world of jw?

The Grudge

Hey,

Just wanted to thank everyone again for your support. You have no idea how much I just needed to hear that Im not alone out there in this fight on a personal level.Where my family lacks in emotional support,you all fill that void just enough for me to press on.

Your sister,
ESTEE

Statements like that alone, mean alot to me.Thanks!!!

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My silent ongoing fight against the org.

by The Grudge in

i?m posting today to get some things out that i haven?t been able to share with anyone else.

because they don?t want to hear it.

i?m living in a world of jw?

The Grudge

GaryB,

Im sad to hear about your experience. I have no idea what that must be like for you,but imagining it is enough of a jolt,making me realize what could happen in my situation. I appreciate your input and have taken your words to heart.Time will be a factor in determining my final decisions,but I have at leist for now put on hold in my mind, having children in this situation. Once again,thank you.I hope you too, can work out things for the better.